Curse

Spazzer · Sep 23, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Move the points from Survivor to Lucky, and remove the Survivor title.

I don't like having my main character "gimped" compared to newer characters just because she was made a year before titles were introduced. Besides, with all of these reconnect issues and the refusal to add a toggle feature to reconnects, it's only suitable that Survivor count towards Lucky.

JeniM · Sep 23, 2007, 01:45 PM // 13:45

I'm working on survivor now and i can say that this idea is complete genius
/signed

But wait for all the R3 people to arrive with their "i grinded for this" rant, as long as those people havethe title the chances of them wantng it easier/more aviliable/gone are nil

Government Flu · Sep 23, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

The survivor title should stay. I created a character that had most of his titles and experience before I even knew such a title existed. (I started when Factions came out and didn't use any wikis/online information until I beat the game.) When I found out the title did exist, I merely created another character.

I've deleted the ones that have failed, including a 9 month old R2 survivor. What is stopping you from creating a new character yourself to attempt this title? Are you going to ask for the deletion of Legendary Defender of Ascalon as well, since only Perma-Pre characters can attain it?

The survivor title is an option. It is not a required achievement, nor does it somehow weaken characters older than titles themselves. If you want new content, you have to pay 50 bucks for the expansion or new campaign.

If you want a particularly difficult title to attain, you need to create a new character. It makes sense to me.

You can't have it all.

Mitchel · Sep 23, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Why should a title that everyone can get be removed, when a title that only 6 classes can get should stay?

JeniM · Sep 23, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Heres what i don't understand

Mention a reputation title and everyone yells GRIND GRIIIIIIIIND!!!! at you get you mention survivor and people seem to defend it

Just doesn't make sence

He is saying as characters could be created before the title existed not before he knew about it, Government Flu. What the OP is saying is that this is not fair on these old characters as they are down one title just for being with the game since the start
I've only been playing 9 months and i have a character and build that can farm XP quick enough and safe enough i just haven't got round to grinding it, nothing is stopping the OP aking a character for survivior but that means having it on another character and some people like having less characters with everything on one

BLOODGOAT · Sep 23, 2007, 03:52 PM // 15:52

I don't think it's fair that people cry so much about a line of text on a god damn game. If it's so important to you, just REMAKE CHARACTER. Otherwise you look like a blubbering vagina.

Jwh6913 · Sep 23, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

actually, down 2 titles , I say they should be fair, and provide us with 2 title tracks so EVERYONE can have the chance to get the final rank of the koabd title

problem solved!

KillaKarl · Sep 23, 2007, 04:46 PM // 16:46

actually your only down 1 title, LDOA and survivor are mutually exclusive, you can get surviovr, but u cant death level to LDOA,

and 2. i just finally got this title after 11 months, i earned it and it wouuld be UNFAIR to the ones who like me, have earned it, i sympathise with those who have chars older then the titles, and anet should maybe rework the title so that it only resets the xp counter, then everyone could get it, regardless of age

/notsign your idea
/sign my idea

Spazzer · Sep 23, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Mitchel

Why should a title that everyone can get be removed, when a title that only 6 classes can get should stay?

Good question. I suppose they'd both have to go.

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Originally Posted by KillaKarl

and 2. i just finally got this title after 11 months, i earned it and it wouuld be UNFAIR to the ones who like me

My suggestion has nothing to do with removing all of your hard work.

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

It should never have been added in the first place, but it'd be silly to get rid of it now. Oh, and your character is not "gimped" for lack of a title.

With the addition of the Hall of Monuments, it will have an effect on Guild Wars 2. Furthermore, with the addition of the Rainbow Phoenix, it contributes to gameplay in that respect as well.

Vinraith · Sep 23, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

It should never have been added in the first place, but it'd be silly to get rid of it now. Oh, and your character is not "gimped" for lack of a title. Titles don't matter (well, except the ones with gameplay effects, which survivor fortunately lacks).

arbiter · Sep 23, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

the best idea ive heard for surviver title is to make it so that you just need that amount of XP in between deaths. So therefore say your character already has died, but if you get that 1/4mil xp or w/e it is b4 you die again, you can get the title. That way for those people whos main character was made long before the title can still get it if they choose. Also, for the people who died while getting theirs, they could still get it without having to delete the character completely and start over.

PureEvilYak · Sep 23, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

I think the point is not that survivor is a bad title, but that there are those of us who would have got it, but titles didn't exist when we created our characters, which I can empathize with. I am not bothered about titles on any character but my ranger, but as he was created 26 months ago, and had racked up around 500-1000 deaths by the time titles were released, he can't get survivor. Its not too important to me, but if I could do it again, I would.

One compromise would be to make it so that survivor can be gotten at any stage of the game, you just have to not die for (1337600?) experience. However, this would make survivor much easier (no grind from level 1), and make it so Tyrian characters had the edge on the KoaBD title.

Another way to solve things would be to remove both of those titles. This would annoy one hell of a lot of people, so this method is out, too.

As this is a pretty messed up system, there would only be 1 solution, which I formed from the internet game "Kingdom of Loathing"'s idea of Ascension. What Anet would do is create an NPC who sends you temporarily to level 1, perhaps giving you an effect like "call of the eye". You would then get a secondary experience bar, and level back up according to this. This bar would also be the counter for the Survivor title. You could get rid of this effect by talking to said NPC again, or by dying. To make it fair for the KoaBD title, You could make it so he only offers this effect to characters without LDoA.

I can't see it happening, but if they were to make survivor available to those of us who didn't know about it to begin with, that would be the way forward.

FelixCarter · Sep 23, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Survivor is the stupidest title ever concieved. It's the only title that, once you've lost, you can never obtain. Bugs, glitches, and anything else that feels like dropping by can frag the title faster than a two-year-old skateboarder.

Let the people that want Survivor go for it. I completely ignore the title all together. I have never gone for it and will never go for it.

People that have Survivor, I tend to stay away from. Last thing I want is a person who jumps out of a group at the first sign of trouble.

/Notsigned. Let the lemmings waste their time on a title that has more glitches than Shodan.

Spazzer · Sep 23, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by PureEvilYak

To make it fair for the KoaBD title, You could make it so he only offers this effect to characters without LDoA.

Well, it would be nice to be able to have an option to be able to attempt survivor on a character that was never given a chance. In that case, I probably would not have made this thread. However, you are correct: you cannot give the option of both LDOA and Survivor. Maybe remove LDOA from characters who have left presearing?

PureEvilYak · Sep 23, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

Maybe remove LDOA from characters who have left presearing?

Grind a title, then have it removed? No, that would never do. Just use my idea that the guy who gives you the aforementioned "survivor effect" doesn't give it to people with LDoA. Then the titles are still mutually exclusive, but everyone, even veteran toons, can get 1 of them.

Heimdallw32 · Sep 23, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Well, it seems like there's only one truly across-the-board fair solution. Since we can't please everyone, the only option is to make everyone equally unhappy. Fair for all. That being said? Only way to resolve all of this is to remove titles utterly. Sure, Anet put alot of work into them and gave them to us for free, but no, we must have this or that, because "it's not fair", despite it being just a game.

So I propose all titles be removed. Also anything else that people want, since some people have things other people want, but other people don't want to try to get themselves for various reasons. There ya go. Nothing anyone wants, completely fair. Now no-one can complain that "he has something I want but I don't want to do it myself!".

FelixCarter · Sep 23, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Heimdallw32

Well, it seems like there's only one truly across-the-board fair solution. Since we can't please everyone, the only option is to make everyone equally unhappy. Fair for all. That being said? Only way to resolve all of this is to remove titles utterly. Sure, Anet put alot of work into them and gave them to us for free, but no, we must have this or that, because "it's not fair", despite it being just a game.

So I propose all titles be removed. Also anything else that people want, since some people have things other people want, but other people don't want to try to get themselves for various reasons. There ya go. Nothing anyone wants, completely fair. Now no-one can complain that "he has something I want but I don't want to do it myself!".

Are you being facetious?

An easy "fix" would be to give people who don't have Survivor or LDoA a different title they can max out.

Survivors won't be able to access that title and, of course, cannot become LDoA.
LDoA has never been able to have Survivor and won't have access to this title, either.

/Fixed.

Heimdallw32 · Sep 23, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

It's sarcasm. Seemed appropriate.

Anyway.

There have been "calls to arms" like this before, complaints/suggestions/etc. regarding Survivor and how old characters can't get it. KoaBD is an -optional- part of the game. There's no actual in-game benefit to having it. Its only purpose is to make you feel good. To that end, I agree with just adding another title track in. Modifying Survivor so that older characters could get it would cheapen the title itself, and merging it with Lucky would leave KoaBD contenders with the same problem (since they would -still- lack one title). And messing with LDoA would be rather pointless as well. Should be easy enough for Anet to find something we can grind for or whatever, without having to rely on pure luck (which is what Survivor really is.).

Onarik Amrak · Sep 23, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Hahahaha, this is a joke right?

My warrior can't get Survivor. I'll live with it.

But don't rob my Paragon and Ranger of their titles.

Stoneys Rock · Sep 23, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

Good question. I suppose they'd both have to go.

My suggestion has nothing to do with removing all of your hard work.

With the addition of the Hall of Monuments, it will have an effect on Guild Wars 2. Furthermore, with the addition of the Rainbow Phoenix, it contributes to gameplay in that respect as well.

My main character was always gimped so what? I got it on another character. :/ It may not be your intention to remove peoples hard work but thats exactly what would happen. I know from experence survivor can be a pain sometimes but think of the LDOAers they maxed out a title that can take literally months to reach and to remove the titles onto something else that people may have already maxed is really just unreasonable imo. Not to mention that these titles have been obtainable for a long time, you know if it had been out for a week or so maybe it could change but just no for me. It's bad enough to grind for a good achievement than to grind, get it then lose it.